sherrid
1 post
Jul 29, 2008
8:51 AM
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Hello, I'm new to pmu and I have a few questions. I have read through this entire messge board, and while I have gotten some great info, I still have a few questions. 1. what is the difference between the NC, Harmonix and the iStar other than price. Which would you recommend for a new pmu artist and why? 2. Can anyone tell me if Susan Church's pigments are good? I got a catalog and some advanced training info from IIPC and just want to know more about the pigments. 3. I would like some recommendations for some advanced training in all areas of pmu. I'm in arizona and can travel, but prefer to stay close if possible, so right now would like to have recommendations for trainers in Arizona and Cali. Thank you so much for you time. Sherri Dahin
Yuma, AZ
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LiZa
3051 posts
Jul 29, 2008
11:25 AM
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It's no secret that i like my little iStar.
the more expensive machines have their good points, but I never cared for the needles. They're fine as liners but not shaders. i sold all my other digitals.
Look on the SPCP list of approved pigments. I don't find hers there.
Last Edited on 3-Aug-2008 10:05 AM
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Laynee
18 posts
Jul 29, 2008
10:43 PM
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Any machine is only as good as the tech, and even the best tech will have aggravation with a crummy machine (needles falling out, wobbling etc). The iStar is nice, and cheap. NC is way too expensive for what you get. Harmonix, I really don't have any experience with. I personaly like softap pigments. Tri-lab is cheap to get started but it dried up too fast for me (alcohol). I'm also in AZ, and you'll probably have to travel to get education. AAPC has advanced classes for about $600 day. They have a BP class but its more than you'll pay anywhere else.
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facecrafter
692 posts
Jul 30, 2008
5:18 AM
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the IStar is not cheap. It is $1000. machine. It is just less expensive than other digitals which can cost three times that much. I don't want to mislead anyone by saying it is cheap. In my case, I decided on the iStar because it is different from the other digital type rotary devices.
The needle configurations for the iStar are more like the non-digital rotary configurations, having more space between the needles for the most part. As a result shading is easier with iStar, which is why I like it a lot, since I do a lot of shading/smudging. It is also easier to wrap than the others, since the needle depth adjustment is built into the tip, as opposed to being part of the handpiece. Pigment, well, that's another story. I prefer LI Pigments but for brows and eyeliners- hands down! However, when I do scar concealment, I grab for Derma-International, and some of the other SPCP pigment suppliers have certain colors that I just love. Overall, however, I totally agree with others here- buy from SPCP sources. Over the years, you'll be glad you did. It takes years to learn your pigments and what they will do for you and for the skin types you work on. Pick a good line and work with it until you know it well, and understand it. And good luck! ----------
Be well and beautiful,
:)udy
judy@facecrafter.com
www.facecrafter.com
941-351-1333
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facecrafter
693 posts
Jul 30, 2008
5:30 AM
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Sherri,
Another question comes to mind. You mentioned that you are new to PMU. And that you are interested in advanced training. Please see the next thread for some comments on that inquiry. thanks.
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Be well and beautiful,
:)udy
judy@facecrafter.com
www.facecrafter.com
941-351-1333
Last Edited on 30-Jul-2008 5:34 AM
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LiZa
3055 posts
Jul 30, 2008
7:49 AM
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yes, the iStar is so easy to wrap, the handpiece is short, feels more like a pen in the hand, no weight swinging around from above. LiZa Sims, CPCP
U.S. LIPigments Distributor
http://www.cosmetictattoo.com
Last Edited on 3-Aug-2008 10:06 AM
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Laynee
19 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:42 PM
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To the OP, I wouldnt want to mislead you. Perhaps "less expensive" would have been a less subjective word to use. "Cheap" is not inheritantly incorrect, but it is subjective. In my opinion $995 is nothing considering it would take two full lip procedures to more than pay for it, and is therefore (in my opinion again) cheap. Add in the extra handpiece they are throwing in now and whoa... bargain city. Id love to find a facial machine that would pay for itself after just two facials! So my friend, if you can afford to get started with a better quality digital please do. Just remember, the man makes the clothes the clothes dont make the man... but no one looks good in plaid polyester! Edited to say: You know it just hit me, since you are in AZ maybe you could get together sometime with Des (my other PM tech) and I. I'd even let you play with our equipment and you could see hands on what you like ;)
Last Edited on 31-Jul-2008 9:46 PM
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LiZa
3059 posts
Jul 31, 2008
10:03 PM
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going thru my closed and tossing all that plaid polyester!
haha. good one laynee.
laynee if you would ever like to email me, i'ld like to talk to you.
xo
LiZa Sims, CPCP
U.S. LIPigments Distributor
http://www.cosmetictattoo.com
Last Edited on 3-Aug-2008 10:07 AM
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sherrid
4 posts
Aug 01, 2008
8:04 AM
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Laynee, where are you located? I'm in Yuma and would love to take you up on your offer. sherri
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Laynee
22 posts
Aug 13, 2008
9:35 PM
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Liza, that sounds like fun. E-mail is good, Im not half as entertaining in person! Sherri, Im in Mesa. I know its a bit of a drive but maybe if you're in town doing continuing education we can meet up. We'll compare notes, and maybe a Pina Colada or two, lol.
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sherrid
7 posts
Aug 15, 2008
9:02 AM
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Laynee, that drive is nothing...I do it all the time!
After my son goes back to school and things get back to normal around here I'd love to get together. Thank you so much for the offer.
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LiZa
3119 posts
Aug 15, 2008
9:54 AM
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do things ever really 'get normal' sherri? if you've found that recipe, i want it! Permanent Makeup MythBuster Blog
Cosmetic Tattoo Home
LIPigment U.S. Distributor
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frostellie
289 posts
Aug 15, 2008
7:55 PM
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Liza..thanks for all your entertaining little pics!
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